New software- fusion, rhino, sketchup, desk proto???
I know this has been talked about before but I wanted to start a new thread to see take advantage of new updates, technologies, etc in late 2015.
Short version. Looking to model 3d, and cut 3d. What is best program or combination of programs for CAD and CAM? Specifically using an indexer, but also taking advantage of 3d slicing to do a layered assembly of larger 3d models, (think human sized) on machine bed.
I have been running aspire for quite some time, using it to model "3d" projects referenced from a flat plane. I've gotten to the point where I am very comfortable using the software and its advanced features, but I am ready for the next step in 3d design and wanted to hear the opinions of forum members on which program to go with for FULLY 3d work. As a point of reference, Vcarve and Aspire were my first CAD/CAM programs ever. I am not a designer, more of a guy who lifts heavy things. However I do learn quite quickly and just really want to start a dialogue to inspire some ideas on which program can take me to the next level.
From a CAD design perspective, sketch up seems pretty user friendly. I can draw full design models of simple furniture, etc. I have heard there are plug ins to port drawings over to aspire for nesting etc but it seems to fall short on modeling compared to Rhino?
I just downloaded the demo of rhino 5, and rhino cam. Although have no idea how to use either, I hear there are slicing functions built in to take apart an STL model? How is rhino cam running the bot? is it better to import STLs to aspire instead of using rhinocam?
I read a while back where Brady mentioned deskproto does fully 360˚ indexer work, is this still the only program, or the easiest program to utilize the indexer like this? There appears to be some cool toolpath options in DP that I have not seen in aspire. I know I can do turnings in aspire with the unwrapping stuff, but it seems pretty complicated to me, maybe I have not spent enough time practicing. I can make the heck out of a dowel though. Rhinocam appears to now have a rhino turn or something like that, anyone used it yet?
Every now and then I check the shopbot home website to see if they have updated anything. I noticed that the machines are now shipping utilizing this fusion software from autodesk. It is a cloud based thing, which is not appealing to me whatsoever. I know there is the option to label yourself as a "startup" to get access to the software for free, but I imagine this is a ploy and 5 years later when you are really invested is when they drop the hammer. For the record I am not opposed to paying good money for good software and do not ever expect or accept handouts. I think it kind of scares me to not really know what the cost will be of software that my business relies on to function. Plus do my designs get uploaded to china or some other stealyourdesignistan place?
The fusion videos I have watched showed parametric sizing for models, which is similar to ecabs resizing. Here though, you create tags, and then just type in the tag names and things adjust accordingly, this looks REALLY cool and is something I wish aspire did. Does anyone here have experience using both programs that can give a comparison?
This is probably enough questions for now. Please feel free to chime in, I love your guys' opinions.
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In defense of Sketchup, FDWIW
Okay- had to chime in here. I'm at about 10 years into Sketchup. Began that way as I did not have cnc until 4 years ago. The adaptation/acrobatics to get things into Vectric for vectoring etc. was a bit of a curve, but accuracy of parts is impeccable. Still feels cumbersome and I wish for a streamlined process, but once you've made a commitment, very difficult to switch gears.
I would not recommend Sketchup if 3D sculpting is your goal. Just not worth the trouble from my experience - Brady's assessment there is correct. Then again, furniture and cabinetry is 99.8% 2.5D, if that's your primary function. While there are those combining and bridging Sketchup and Vectric into one process, we're back to the CAD/CAM program of the month club, which clearly none of us are fans of. Further, I'd still have to do all the work to generate a unique set of cabinets within that program. This means I'm doing all the work of drafting one of a kind pieces that I do now, but paying them $150+ to save an hour or two of conversion. Pretty much a wash, so I've elected to skip the inevitable learning curve and stubbornly cling to the processes I've already honed.
Process for me goes like this:
-Sketchup is used to model and draft in detail for client's visual proof. (see image)
- Many major appliances and lav products can simply be plucked and placed into the model from 3D Warehouse
-That very model is dissected and dxf's exported for CAM processing in VCPro
-Cut List Bridge allows me to export parts list to Cut List plus
-Cut List plus very quickly gives me a numbered list of plywoods and hardwoods bill of materials, allowing me to order materials, print a cut list for hardwood processing in the shop and print labels to attach to ply parts as they come off the machine.
All this is done for an elective annual fee of $120 for up to the minute updates and toll free help from Trimble/Sketchup, which I've not yet needed.
Sounds like you've received ample guidance for your specific needs. I just wanted to interject this for the benefit for readers who's business model may be similar to mine and could use some clarity on utilizing Sketchup to run a successful business.
Image attached is a Sketchup screen shot of a kitchen I just completed. Showing it without any special rendering plug ins applied, just light shadowing within the program. Though rendering/light-up programs can dramatically improve an image such as this, the vast majority of my clients are nothing but pleased to be able to preview their project as shown. X-ray view helps illustrate all details of joinery are there.
Jeff