Thanks Steve.. I let dad look at those... he is wanting me to make a sign for his church.. out of mdo... Those at vector art are nice but I can not convert them to a line vector that I can just cut the profile... The youth group is going to paint it... i just need to cut it our of mdo... what they want has like a oval in the middle at the top with the top of the oval removed... I know there must be someplace to purchase a whole series of sign outlines.