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    This week Tina and I have been in the Smoky Mountains area (Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge area) Yesterday we took the art and craft loop out of Gatlinburg. While stopping at shops we went into a Wooden sign shop. Turns out the Gentelman that runs the shop owns a shop bot Desk top, He (Mark) and His wife are almost maxed out Making signs with the desk top, and are running behind on orders (this can be good or Bad). while touring Gatlinburg, we found three other sign compaines doing the same type of signs. all four shops are within 5 miles or less (did not check Mileage.) of each other. Mark has signs in at least two other shops that we visited.

    what I am getting at is that if you do good work and have places to sale your product you can make a living with your shop bot. Something else I noticed is that the items that we make are almost void here in this area of Tenn. If there is a void here then that tells me there are many voids in Tenn alone. Talking to shops here I have been asked by at least 7 stores to send them a catalog. The shops varried from toy stores to wine shops.

    Huge void in the wine shops for wine items and for wine related items.

    some of the toys that we make we found some making them by hand and not near as good a design as ours.

    was supprised by the need in this area for wooden items in all fields.

    there is only one furniture maker in the area at this time... and talking to him he is 6 months back logged.

    The shop botters in Tenn. need to make trips to this area.

    by the way Marks signs are out of this world. when I get back to the shop will ask Mark if I can use his shop name and if full name and if I can show pictures of his work.

    by the way.. He is wanting to Move his shop to Floridia and is planning to start setting up customers there to help him get ahead of the game and to be able to move.

    what he does and The things we offer for sale will go good in any area.

    there is big bucks to be made with your shop bot. You just need to get out there and develope customers.

    If you get a chance to visit Gatlingburg Tenn. from Pigeon Forge take a left at light 3 then take a left at light 3a follow that around the loop Marks store front is just past Jim Gray's Gallery (old church)
    stop in and look at his work.
    www.tgdesigns.net
    eking1953@yahoo.com

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    Can you share his (Mark)'s name and or business and website. Nice to hear of shopbotters making money and doing well. Love to see his work.

    Cheers all,

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    We built a Wildlife Sanctuary in Sevierville (just off the highway) on the road to Pidgeon Forge. There are TONS of tourist shops for almost anything you can think of there. All kinds of activities too. From Helicopter rides to indoor skydiving to Mideavil shows. Lots of signs and kinck knack souvenier shops, art stuff but i don't remember a lot of wood products...
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    I had copied and pasted my comments about Mark so he would know what My comments were Here is Marks remarks about my comment. I had not mentioned his wife (actually I had forgotten to Mention that Mark now does the store and maintains the web site etc.

    Hello Gene,
    Thank you for the kind words about our signs but I must say that you didn't give enough credit to my wife Ksenia. When all of this started it was mostly me but she has come around to be equally as important as I am in this business. We have grown to the level that keeps me busy doing administrative work to the point I rarely even see the workshop part any more. As I mentioned in the store, she is the one making most of the signs now. I do the majority of the design work but the execution is all her. We couldn't did this without on another.
    In any event, Thank you again. I will be waiting for your catalog like a kid on Christmas Eve! LOL. So Hurry Up already! Hahahahahahahaha. Just kidding. It was great to meet you and your wife Tina. I hope we can see you guys again and if you come back to town please let me know in advance and we can all go out to dinner!

    Mark and His wife Have a good business, A husband and wife team is a great way to build the company or parent-child. I know if Tina and I had children I would be having our children be part of the company. It is a great way to build a company plus help provide a income for ones children and grandchildren.

    Most of the product that I make and sale are not well know away from my area and my customers which helps in new markets. Like I said if you have a good product you can make a good living with your shop bot. It takes hard work both in the shop and out meeting new customers and developing new markets.

    The work that Mark and His wife do. is great work. They could set up almost anywhere and do good.

    Take a tour of your town and the surrounding towns, How many gift stores are there in your area. How many state Parks, places where people from other areas come in to visit.
    I do not like dealing with the general public for several reasons, one I have PTSD (post traumatic stress) We do some shows each year to pick up new wholesale accounts, however if it was not for Tina helping and allowing me to walk around and to get out of the crowd I could not do the shows. The other sometimes I take it very offensive for someone to try to talk me down on prices which I do not drop my prices, or have someone to tell me (oh I can make that) Most will never try it some will, some will try to copy my work, Most will fall to the way-side and never impact my customer base. Having a good customer base will keep you busy. keeping your customer satisfied and always delivering when you say you will and good quality work will keep customers loyal to you. I have had customers go to cheaper suppliers, only to return. Most tell me the product was cheaper but not as good and that they did not deliver when they said the would. I have had a few come back asking me to lower my price to the other companies prices, and I simply say no. I base my prices on what I have to have to make a living.

    I have lost a few over the years for not lowering my prices but most return after a while.

    Each area is Different and also alike at the same time. Develop your area first then slowly expand. one person can not do it all. (at first you can) takes at least two, you and a employee or wife etc. as it grows.

    go to Marks web site and check out his products

    www.someguyssigns.com

    Should you visit the area go see Mark and His wife

    "Some Guys" Wood Signs & Crafts
    680 Glades Rd. Suite 1
    Gatlinburg, TN 37738
    www.tgdesigns.net
    eking1953@yahoo.com

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    I hope they got permission to use the clipart that way. It's definitely against the standard license agreement as far as I'm aware.

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    @Adrian please explain

    As we are getting back into this copyrite issue that no one seems to have a comprehensive answer for. he is not selling the vectors themselves, just using them as intended. should he be giving credit to the designer as a form of advertisement. something like designs from vectricart AND made by shopbot cnc.

    I noticed that vectric patterns and the vectorart used to say that u can use patterns 2000 times and sometime ago went to unlimited use. they do or did have a clause about mass production. I do not think this is what happening here. why do we buy patterns if we cant use them. when I started u could list vectrics patterns in web page even if u did not own them... yet.

    I can be wrong and have been many times in my life... u can ask my wife and probably many on this forum!!!

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    Pattern usage can be limited .. You can state in your pattens that you can only use them so many times. I see this from time to time, however that is a honor system. When i designed our patterns for sale. I state that they can be used for private wholesale and retail and as many as they like. The only thing that i did state was that they could not sale or ive my patterns away.. They are copyrighted. I want my customers to use the pattens to make money with them. If they make one or a million i don't mind.. The only thing i do mind is if they sale them or give them away. That is when one gets into trouble.

    Most people do not know how much it cost to produce a cd of patterns, the way that i set up our package, where you could work off the disk or down load the patterns, just the soft ware to put those buttons on the cd cost over $5,000.00 plus other software needed. I could not afford the soft ware, to produce our cd, so i have to hire that done. Having a master produced is expensive. With our sales we still have not broken even on the first cd, and i have disk two, three, almost ready to go to the company but i have to wait until i have sold enough to break even on the first one before i sink more into it.. So copyright is a big issue to most.. It is hard work and expensive just to produce the master.
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    HE WHO WORKS WITH HIS HANDS AND HEAD IS A CRAFTSMAN.
    HE WHO WORKS WITH HIS HANDS, HIS HEAD AND HIS HEART IS AN ARTIST.
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    Jeff, it's not the use of the clipart in the actual products that I think is wrong. As far as I know there's no limitation on what you do with the 2D images as far as making products go.

    It's pages like this one - http://www.someguyssigns.com/FarmandRanch.html

    Click on any of the thumbnails and you get a very large version that could be traced into a vector in seconds. To me that is against the electronic distribution clause of the license agreement and is certainly something I wouldn't risk on a website.

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    @Eugene I agree totally, but still i don't see anything wrong with what this person is doing... and if he is .. so am i. I am a professional hobbyist and not store front or wholesaler. not that it should make a difference. i purchase patterns with the intent of selling signs using them. And i am a lot cheaper than most.... ahhhhh competition is a great thing.

    i hope u make a profit on your cd's.

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    Adrian... i see better now what your point is... whats your answer.. a watermark or something. i did not see at first how easy it wood be to pirate said patterns with snipping tool or something from his site. I guess i don't recognize the patterns.. and wood not be sure they were not freeware or created himself. With the software available today, u can re-invent the wheel and make it work for your purposes from memory, sketch or a picture.

    Just me.... totally confused retired guy. Gosh hope i don't get in trouble for emulating jack nickalaus swing on golf course... i sure he never used the foot wedge.... i do, but take a club out of bag to compensate.

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