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    Default Strange pauses in toolpath

    I'm currently machining a large job with is over 50 sheets of 9mm plastic. I've toolpathed it using a series of toolpaths with a 3.18mm downcut spiral bit and another series with a 3.18mm upcut spiral.

    The z-zero is set at the machine bed and the DC toolpaths are set to cut from 9mm down to 4.5mm. The UC toolpaths go from 4.5mm down to -0.5mm. Other than that they are identical.

    The first toopath in each set cuts a lot of 6mm holes using a inside profile toolpath with a spiral ramp. The issue I'm having is that the machine is pausing at the point the Z retracts out of the hole for 3 to 4 seconds before moving onto the next hole. It's not doing it for the UC toolpaths even they are identical as far as that part of the code goes. Pretty sure it's not a buffering issue as it shouldn't be doing it after every hole.

    This is the code for the first hole in the DC toolpath followed by the code for the first hole in the UC toolpath:

    [CODE]MS,50.6,12.6
    JZ,100.00
    J3,72.515,48.325,100.000
    J3,72.515,48.325,10.000
    M3,72.515,48.325,9.000
    M3,72.519,48.428,8.955
    M3,72.529,48.534,8.910
    M3,72.546,48.640,8.863
    M3,72.570,48.748,8.815
    M3,72.603,48.856,8.767
    M3,72.643,48.963,8.718
    M3,72.691,49.068,8.668
    M3,72.747,49.171,8.617
    M3,72.811,49.270,8.566
    M3,72.882,49.365,8.515
    M3,72.960,49.456,8.463
    M3,73.045,49.540,8.412
    M3,73.135,49.618,8.360
    M3,73.230,49.690,8.309
    M3,73.330,49.753,8.258
    M3,73.432,49.809,8.207
    M3,73.538,49.858,8.157
    M3,73.645,49.898,8.108
    M3,73.752,49.930,8.060
    M3,73.860,49.955,8.012
    M3,73.967,49.972,7.965
    M3,74.072,49.982,7.920
    M3,74.175,49.985,7.875
    M3,74.279,49.982,7.830
    M3,74.384,49.972,7.785
    M3,74.491,49.955,7.738
    M3,74.599,49.930,7.690
    M3,74.706,49.898,7.642
    M3,74.813,49.858,7.593
    M3,74.918,49.809,7.543
    M3,75.021,49.753,7.492
    M3,75.121,49.690,7.441
    M3,75.216,49.618,7.390
    M3,75.306,49.540,7.338
    M3,75.391,49.456,7.287
    M3,75.469,49.365,7.235
    M3,75.540,49.270,7.184
    M3,75.604,49.171,7.133
    M3,75.660,49.068,7.082
    M3,75.708,48.963,7.032
    M3,75.748,48.856,6.983
    M3,75.781,48.748,6.935
    M3,75.805,48.640,6.887
    M3,75.822,48.534,6.840
    M3,75.832,48.428,6.795
    M3,75.835,48.325,6.750
    M3,75.832,48.222,6.705
    M3,75.822,48.116,6.660
    M3,75.805,48.010,6.613
    M3,75.781,47.902,6.565
    M3,75.748,47.794,6.517
    M3,75.708,47.687,6.468
    M3,75.660,47.582,6.418
    M3,75.604,47.479,6.367
    M3,75.540,47.380,6.316
    M3,75.469,47.285,6.265
    M3,75.391,47.194,6.213
    M3,75.306,47.110,6.162
    M3,75.216,47.032,6.110
    M3,75.121,46.960,6.059
    M3,75.021,46.897,6.008
    M3,74.918,46.841,5.957
    M3,74.813,46.792,5.907
    M3,74.706,46.752,5.858
    M3,74.599,46.720,5.810
    M3,74.491,46.695,5.762
    M3,74.384,46.678,5.715
    M3,74.279,46.668,5.670
    M3,74.175,46.665,5.625
    M3,74.072,46.668,5.580
    M3,73.967,46.678,5.535
    M3,73.860,46.695,5.488
    M3,73.752,46.720,5.440
    M3,73.645,46.752,5.392
    M3,73.538,46.792,5.343
    M3,73.432,46.841,5.293
    M3,73.330,46.897,5.242
    M3,73.230,46.960,5.191
    M3,73.135,47.032,5.140
    M3,73.045,47.110,5.088
    M3,72.960,47.194,5.037
    M3,72.882,47.285,4.985
    M3,72.811,47.380,4.934
    M3,72.747,47.479,4.883
    M3,72.691,47.582,4.832
    M3,72.643,47.687,4.782
    M3,72.603,47.794,4.733
    M3,72.570,47.902,4.685
    M3,72.546,48.010,4.637
    M3,72.529,48.116,4.590
    M3,72.519,48.222,4.545
    M3,72.515,48.325,4.500
    CG, ,74.175,49.985,1.660,0.000,T,1
    CG, ,75.835,48.325,0.000,-1.660,T,1
    CG, ,74.175,46.665,-1.660,0.000,T,1
    CG, ,72.515,48.325,0.000,1.660,T,1
    J3,72.515,48.325,19.000 ' At this point machine pauses for 3 to 4 seconds
    J3,342.695,48.325,19.000
    J3,342.695,48.325,10.000[/CODE]

    [CODE]MS,50.6,12.6
    JZ,100.000
    J3,72.515,48.325,100.000
    J3,72.515,48.325,10.000
    M3,72.515,48.325,4.500
    M3,72.519,48.428,4.450
    M3,72.529,48.534,4.400
    M3,72.546,48.640,4.348
    M3,72.570,48.748,4.295
    M3,72.603,48.856,4.241
    M3,72.643,48.963,4.186
    M3,72.691,49.068,4.131
    M3,72.747,49.171,4.075
    M3,72.811,49.270,4.018
    M3,72.882,49.365,3.961
    M3,72.960,49.456,3.904
    M3,73.045,49.540,3.846
    M3,73.135,49.618,3.789
    M3,73.230,49.690,3.732
    M3,73.330,49.753,3.675
    M3,73.432,49.809,3.619
    M3,73.538,49.858,3.564
    M3,73.645,49.898,3.509
    M3,73.752,49.930,3.455
    M3,73.860,49.955,3.402
    M3,73.967,49.972,3.350
    M3,74.072,49.982,3.300
    M3,74.175,49.985,3.250
    M3,74.279,49.982,3.200
    M3,74.384,49.972,3.150
    M3,74.491,49.955,3.098
    M3,74.599,49.930,3.045
    M3,74.706,49.898,2.991
    M3,74.813,49.858,2.936
    M3,74.918,49.809,2.881
    M3,75.021,49.753,2.825
    M3,75.121,49.690,2.768
    M3,75.216,49.618,2.711
    M3,75.306,49.540,2.654
    M3,75.391,49.456,2.596
    M3,75.469,49.365,2.539
    M3,75.540,49.270,2.482
    M3,75.604,49.171,2.425
    M3,75.660,49.068,2.369
    M3,75.708,48.963,2.314
    M3,75.748,48.856,2.259
    M3,75.781,48.748,2.205
    M3,75.805,48.640,2.152
    M3,75.822,48.534,2.100
    M3,75.832,48.428,2.050
    M3,75.835,48.325,2.000
    M3,75.832,48.222,1.950
    M3,75.822,48.116,1.900
    M3,75.805,48.010,1.848
    M3,75.781,47.902,1.795
    M3,75.748,47.794,1.741
    M3,75.708,47.687,1.686
    M3,75.660,47.582,1.631
    M3,75.604,47.479,1.575
    M3,75.540,47.380,1.518
    M3,75.469,47.285,1.461
    M3,75.391,47.194,1.404
    M3,75.306,47.110,1.346
    M3,75.216,47.032,1.289
    M3,75.121,46.960,1.232
    M3,75.021,46.897,1.175
    M3,74.918,46.841,1.119
    M3,74.813,46.792,1.064
    M3,74.706,46.752,1.009
    M3,74.599,46.720,0.955
    M3,74.491,46.695,0.902
    M3,74.384,46.678,0.850
    M3,74.279,46.668,0.800
    M3,74.175,46.665,0.750
    M3,74.072,46.668,0.700
    M3,73.967,46.678,0.650
    M3,73.860,46.695,0.598
    M3,73.752,46.720,0.545
    M3,73.645,46.752,0.491
    M3,73.538,46.792,0.436
    M3,73.432,46.841,0.381
    M3,73.330,46.897,0.325
    M3,73.230,46.960,0.268
    M3,73.135,47.032,0.211
    M3,73.045,47.110,0.154
    M3,72.960,47.194,0.096
    M3,72.882,47.285,0.039
    M3,72.811,47.380,-0.018
    M3,72.747,47.479,-0.075
    M3,72.691,47.582,-0.131
    M3,72.643,47.687,-0.186
    M3,72.603,47.794,-0.241
    M3,72.570,47.902,-0.295
    M3,72.546,48.010,-0.348
    M3,72.529,48.116,-0.400
    M3,72.519,48.222,-0.450
    M3,72.515,48.325,-0.500
    CG, ,74.175,49.985,1.660,0.000,T,1
    CG, ,75.835,48.325,0.000,-1.660,T,1
    CG, ,74.175,46.665,-1.660,0.000,T,1
    CG, ,72.515,48.325,0.000,1.660,T,1
    J3,72.515,48.325,19.000 ' Doesn't pause here
    J3,342.695,48.325,19.000
    J3,342.695,48.325,10.000[/CODE]
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    Hi Adrian,

    I have seen this behavior also. I don't know what it is that causes it, but it's always after a jog and often a jog up. There have been numerous times where I'm doing something else and am conscious of the machine's sounds and then there's the pause. First thing I look at from across the shop is the screen, waiting for some kind of connection loss to pop up and after a bit it continues. 3.8.34 is up, but I don't think it addresses this issue. Send a report off to support and Ted. They've probably gotten a bit tired of hearing from me on 3.8.
    Scott




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    Thanks Scott. I'm surprised I haven't come across it before seeing as how often it's happening with this job. I though I had solved it by making the Z1 and Z2 clearances the same as the next DC sheet cut perfectly but as soon as I switched to the UC it started pausing on that one instead!

    I can't see any logical pattern to it at all. Once I've got the job finished I'll email support.
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    yes I get it once in awhile too. I get this pause once in awhile in about the same place where the machine stops and software is still running it takes a bit to realize the machine is not running. usually I have to at least reboot the machine sometimes the computer. it may do it once or several times in about the same place.

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    I realize it's not the same issue Adrian, but I had a similar issue with Merging two Spiral Ramped/Profile cuts for 120 holes I've run dozens of times as a combined toolpath. Buttonholes of course, but identical except for Z Move speed(clean up pass). It would do the first set of 4/pause 5 seconds/ go to next set and repeat that 30 times. Went back to combining the 2, and it went back to normal speed with no pauses?
    Just mentioning as it was puzzling.
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    that sounds like my old PR before the 4g upgrade. It would only send 2000 lines of code then stop and send another 2000.

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    When it first started doing it I though it was buffering but these files are a lot smaller than those I normally cut and they don't pause like this.
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