the best way to vacuum off the spoilboard

[knight_toolworks]

Most of the time I use the machine but it may miss sports or I have the pressure foot or what have you. I have an extra fein now so it would not be hard to do. But the floor pieces are at an angle so they don't usually work well any idea's?

[Brady Watson]

You can use the tabletop surfacer (or CR) and set the VC to 5". Then let the tool & DC do ALL the work.

-B

[knight_toolworks]

that's what I do most of the time. well I use 6" as my brush is wider and I have it set to jog at 20ips. but if the bit is longer then the brush then it does not always clean well. using the longer brush may do well or may not depending on the dust. if I have the pressure foot on then I don't have a brush on.
so it's ether vac it off or blow it off. now I have a free fein I want a way to vac it if I need too.

[Brady Watson]

I have it set to jog at 20ips.

With a wood table? :eek: Why?

-B

[knight_toolworks]

With a wood table? :eek: Why?

-B
not sure what you mean. I just at that sped when vacuuming the table to get it done fast.

[Brady Watson]

Vacuuming @ that speed doesn't really work very well. It's kind of a haste makes waste thing. 6 to 8 IPS is about the limit for good cleaning. 20 IPS on most tools is complete overkill...the tool will rarely see an actual 20 IPS and be ramping most of the time. On a wood table 20 IPS will cause it to move all over the place as it changes direction...plus you really tax those little 20T pinions at that speed.

For production blow off the table or cut an opening on a floor attachment to keep it from sucking down to the spoilboard less.

-B

[waterwheelman]

I do it the old fashioned way.

Step 1: Put vaccuum hose in hand
Step 2: Move hand about to collect dust
Step 3: Two minutes later the table is cleaned

It works for me. ;)

[planman]

I do it the old fashioned way.

Step 1: Put vaccuum hose in hand
Step 2: Move hand about to collect dust
Step 3: Two minutes later the table is cleaned

It works for me. ;)

I concur.

I thought this was an up / down versus right / left situation.

I never really thought about how many inches per second I was pushing the nozzle... Does that make me a bad manager?

[Brady Watson]

I never really thought about how many inches per second I was pushing the nozzle... Does that make me a bad manager?

Yes. I believe it does. :D:D:D

-B

[knight_toolworks]

I do it the old fashioned way.

Step 1: Put vaccuum hose in hand
Step 2: Move hand about to collect dust
Step 3: Two minutes later the table is cleaned

It works for me. ;)

I was just thinking about the floor piece works best if you can have it flat. since the table is in the air that's harder to do. but I never had a spare vac to try it out.

[beacon14]

We use a Fein vac (an old one with a replacement motor) with the floor attachment. You just rotate the wand (that's what they call the long tube that the attachment slides onto) until the attachment sits flat on the table. Waiting for the machine would take too long and I don't see the machine doing a really clean job of getting all the dust. The spoilboard needs to be totally dust-free for us to get the max vacuum power available.

[knight_toolworks]

it takes about 1.5 minutes to use the machine to clean the table. but if it leaves some then of course longer.
I am so used to the shopvac tools looked at the fein floor tool they want 70.00 for it. time for the off brand. but it looks like most are stuck with the smaller hose.

[Ajcoholic]

My dust collection is pretty darn good, so what is left behind I just blow off with the compressed air, and sweep or vacuum it up after the day's over.

I would think I can do it a lot faster than the bot ;) I can sweep the entire 3200 sq feet of my shop in about 10 minutes.

WHen I really want to clean up, I break out the Festool CT48, and workshop wand. I have a Oneida dust deputy on my Festool vacuum, so it works better than any other vacuum I have tried.

AJC

[Greybarn]

I use a program found somewhere on here, and modified it a little bit. The modifications I made were to use the length of the dust foot so it covered more area in less time. I can vacuum the whole table in about 3 minutes. I think it is about even with using a shop vac.

[wowhuh.mike]

I have cobbled together some rockler gadgets that work well for me. I have a ball joint connected to PVC at y axis on gantry. It has a quick disconnect to let me switch dust collector over to a dust right brush on the end of an extension. I can sweep a 5x10 table full of aluminum chips (tougher than wood chips I think) in about 45 secs standing in one spot on the edge of the machine. It's great! And I only have a 2hp dust collector. I will try to post pics tomorrow.

I'm about to launch site if anybody is interested

wow-huh.com

[wowhuh.mike]

here are some pics.

https://picasaweb.google.com/116425482308250446572/TalkshopbotForum?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCJXGo6jyo_7kBw&feat=directlink

[wowhuh.mike]

maybe this will work.

https://picasaweb.google.com/116425482308250446572/TalkshopbotForum?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCJXGo6jyo_7kBw&feat=directlink

[Brady Watson]

Although I haven't made one yet...I thought that a 'gantry wide' vacuum foot would be a fast way to clear off the table after a run. Drop it to the table, turn on vac and tell X to go from one end to the other. Done in one pass!

I realize it would probably get in the way of a bunch of other stuff...but it would be a fast way to clear off the table. Right now I just use an old shopvac to vac off the table. I cut a notch underneath the inlet to keep it from sucking to the table...That or implement a more efficient dust collection system.

-B

[beacon14]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZckGC4Zm_98&context=C4402650ADvjVQa1PpcFP8SeD7lXScdt07GqRdgd29 igoJ5joNG5Q=

3 minutes is enough time for me to clear a sheet full of parts from the table, vacuum the spoilboard clean, and load the next sheet. The vacuuming takes about 45 seconds in the video. 3 minutes is not enough time for me to go do something else while waiting for the machine to vacuum itself. So for me the Fein vac with floor attachment is the way to go.

[knight_toolworks]

Looks like your pushing it off the table :D but now that I have all the parts it is still faster then the 1.5 minutes it took. one of my goals though is to keep dust off the floor as it is harder the clean. so the vac is good about not pushing the dust off the table like the brush does when there are larger piles of dust.

[adrianm]

I just use my regular Henry workshop vac with the floor foot set with the bristles down. There's enough movement in the joint to get all over the table without having to reach too high to keep the foot flat.

One interesting effect is that you can really feel the static building in the hose when vacuuming off MDF dust. Shows how important grounding is.

[Brady Watson]

David - Diggin the 'snatcher stick' / Hook tool!


...One interesting effect is that you can really feel the static building in the hose when vacuuming off MDF dust. Shows how important grounding is.

Yes...I learned to hold onto the machine with one hand so that there is no zappy zappy... :eek:

-B

[knight_toolworks]

makes me wish I bought a festool vac. they have antistatic hoses that are grounded on the machine.

[ssflyer]

Corian is fun with static, too! :eek:

[beacon14]

Thanks Brady - 'snatch stick' - now it has a new name.

"one of my goals though is to keep dust off the floor" HA! That's a good one!

Dust on the floor is a fact of life around here. It's faster to shovel it into the trash can than to suck it up and then have to dump it into the trash can, or shovel it out of the dust collector into a trash can.

I know the big machines have what Brady describes - a sweeper bar that sweeps/vacuums the entire table in one pass. Hard to justify keeping one of those machines idle for a few minutes just to clear the table.

[knight_toolworks]

Thanks Brady - 'snatch stick' - now it has a new name.

"one of my goals though is to keep dust off the floor" HA! That's a good one!

Dust on the floor is a fact of life around here. It's faster to shovel it into the trash can than to suck it up and then have to dump it into the trash can, or shovel it out of the dust collector into a trash can.

yes but you are also putting it in the air and that mask you wear is not doing much. if the dust is going on the floor is is going in the air and I spent way too much on my dc and modifying my machines to make the dust fly to save a bit of time.

[tuck]

I got you all beat:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/Superfan52/Roomba.jpg

I programmed it to follow the router around on the table, sucking up all the dust as it goes along, which leaves a clean spoil board. I accomplished the programming by fitting the robot Roomba with a Dynoflex X-100 modular control board, which communicates (wirelessly, of course), with my ShopBot control box. When all of the work is complete in my shop, I bring it into my house where it gets back to work vacuuming the floors and fetching cold beverages from the fridge.

I'm kidding, of course, but think of the possibilities!:cool:

[Brady Watson]

I'm kidding, of course, but think of the possibilities!:cool:

One possibility I see is it falling off the table and smashing into a bunch of pieces...:D

If you have pets, and decide to get a Roomba - be sure that they are 1000% potty trained. It is equally effective at vacuuming as it is for spreading diamonds of the brown variety all over a room. :eek:

The time to tear out carpet came sooner than I planned...:rolleyes:

-B

[jerry_stanek]

It has a sensor to keep it from falling off the table just like when it comes to step.

[MogulTx]

OK. I see the other shoe.... dropping

[Brady Watson]

It has a sensor to keep it from falling off the table just like when it comes to step.

Never got to test that feature...we were living in a rancher at the time :p

-B

[fredtoo]

Like Brady said.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWMkOwq2qIU

[tuck]

Like Brady said.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWMkOwq2qIU

LMAO!

Kinda along the same lines,...I got home one evening a few years ago with a gallon of black latex paint I had purchased for a large sign I had cut and it was ready for a base-coat painting. It was a freezing winters' day and because my shop was freezing too, I decided to bring the paint into my house where it would stay warm while I fired up my kerosene heater out in the shop to toast things up out there. I wanted the paint to stay nice and warm and I placed it on my fireplace hearth, which is about 18" in height. Anyway, I was out in the shop for maybe an hour getting the heater going and things organized and ready for the big paint job. I came back into the house for the paint and my dog Alice Mae evidently had nosed it off of the hearth and when it hit the floor the lid popped off, dumping one gallon of thick, gooey black paint on my new carpet. The pool was about 4' in diameter and 1/4" thick of oozing black paint and Alice Mae was nowhere to be found, but I followed her black paw prints to where she was hiding in the hall closet.

I couldn't get mad at her even though I think she knew she had made a mess and that's why she was hiding and needless to say I didn't get the sign painted that night. You can't imagine the clean-up!

Another gallon of black paint = $35.00

Carpet replacement for my living room and hallway = $1,450.00

Memories = priceless. :mad: