Pediments

[Simops]

Hi All,

Looking at wanting to cut out a gable end pediment as shown in attached pic. I'm after a source to purchase this particular design or similar to import into Partworks or Aspire. I tried googling but got nowhere.

Thanks in advance....

MT

[myxpykalix]

you could do a manual trace drawing but the picture is so small you'd have to do a lot of editing. The good news is you could only do half then mirror the other half.

You might try looking up "free scrollsaw designs" that look very similar. Here is a dxf trace of parts of a pattern that could make up what you want to do. You might need to make the "branch" type part, but this would get you started.

[Simops]

Thanks Jack......I did try to import the bitmap into part works and vector trace it but its too small resolution image that it was a mess to work with it. I don't mind paying for a proper image to vectorise........

Oh hum this is what happens when you tell the wife that this Shopbot thingo can do anything and then tells me; "well OK make me a pediment like this image"......great:rolleyes:

Cheers

[rb99]

That graphic wouldn't be hard to recreate from scratch. Triangle, circles, etc.

[Simops]

Richard.....Not sure if I have the skills set to do all those fancy curves....?

[rb99]

Richard.....Not sure if I have the skills set to do all those fancy curves....?

The larger S curved thing with barbs on the right and left is a pretty standard flourish. There are even florish fonts with those.

So find that thing, and create everything else in vectors over top of the sample bitmap you posted. Weld it all and you will have it!

https://www.google.ca/search?num=10&hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=747&bih=544&q=flourishes&oq=flouri&gs_l=img.1.1.0l2j0i10l2j0l2j0i10j0l3.8521.12045.0. 14399.6.6.0.0.0.0.119.667.0j6.6.0...0.0...1ac.1.F0 9v_5a45H0


This one is close:
http://www.youworkforthem.com/img/eps/E0330/E0330_01.jpg

[jerry_stanek]

That should be real easy to do with what Jack and Richard posted.

[myxpykalix]

"Why don't you just figure it out for yourself?"

Someone said that to me years ago on here, and I thought "You A*Hole!", (he hasn't posted anything since then) that's why i don't mind helping out so if you can't find what you need by tonite let me know and i'll look thru my scrollsaw pattern books and see if i can find. I also have some dover pattern books i can check out.

Here is a better example of a fan i made for a door, start with that.

[Rob Gunn]

Richard, Take a look at this web page from Vector Art. I use these all the time and have no issue.You may find something close to what you want and then just alter it as needed.
http://www.vectorart.com/

[jerry_stanek]

What pitch is the the gable. You will need to know this to draw it and so it fits correctly

[steve_g]

30 minuets in PartWorks... Some is left to my interpretation as the JPG wasn't all that clear. It's a 6.5/12 pitch as drawn. It wasn't my intent that this is a finished file, but to illustrate the ease of creating your own with a little inspiration!

SG

The dfx will need to be mirrored... I had to cut it in half to make it small enough to post.

[Simops]

Guys,

Thanks alot for your help and guidance......obviously there's much more for me to learn with Partworks and how to import and node edit. Now that its a new day here I'll wade through the comments and suggestions.

....I'll sit down infront of Partworks and see how I go reproducing the design I'm after......

Thanks again
Cheers

[jerry_stanek]

Look at the tutorials on the Vectric page really helpful. I like to view on one computer and draw along on another. It's easier for me to comprehend if I do it myself.

[myxpykalix]

Steve that's all good but where's the other half?:rolleyes::eek::D

[CNYDWW]

Part of my business was Victorian Gingerbread fretwork. If i have time i can clean up the vectors that steve posted. It took quite a big of practice to get things so they're traditionally more in tune with the originals.

Most of the guys that produce these distort the graphics etc so it doesn't ever come out right when you trace it. I always did it myself to throw people off.

Most of my designs came from pictures of antique reclaimed fretwork on ebay or blogs. Good sources for original ideas.

Regards
Randy

[steve_g]

Randy

If you have the time to clean up the file, I'm sure there will be several pleased people on the forum... I personally enjoy looking at Gingerbread houses and would find a use for the file!

SG

[CNYDWW]

I've cleaned it up at attached it. Thing about this style of vector work, once you play with it enough you get an eye for it. I just spent 10 min and look at the difference. One trick is to edit the nodes, get rid of a lot of the points and use arcs. A lot easier to control then curves.

Usually, i'll start tracing with a polyline, go into node edit and manually convert the lines to arcs and adjust them. It's just faster that way.

Regards

Randy

P.S. Working late and needed a break from designing this table. Third major revision since it's conception.:(

[steve_g]

Randy

Amazing what a little tweaking did! It probably helped that you were familiar with the style... Thanks

SG

[CNYDWW]

Randy

Amazing what a little tweaking did! It probably helped that you were familiar with the style... Thanks

SG

Steve, thanks for showing the comparison. Glad you like,

Regards

[CNYDWW]

Couple older patterns.

[CNYDWW]

And some flat balusters.

[Simops]

I've cleaned it up at attached it. Thing about this style of vector work, once you play with it enough you get an eye for it. I just spent 10 min and look at the difference. One trick is to edit the nodes, get rid of a lot of the points and use arcs. A lot easier to control then curves.

Usually, i'll start tracing with a polyline, go into

Randy / Steve et al......

I'm gobsmacket by the response.....I was happy to just find a source and pay for a decent image that I could import but you guys just dived in to help!;). I feel guilty that I did not try harder to work this out myself.

I have run the tutorials at Vetric but when it comes to doing it much of what learnt slips out of mind .... I will have to take up the previous suggestion to run two monitors one with tutorial and the other with Partworks.

Thanks for all your help.....I'll play with this now to get it right to fit the dimensions required. When done will let you know result.

Wow what a fantastic bunch of people on this Forum:):)

Cheers

[Brady Watson]

Michael,
Learning how to use the Node Editing features of PartWorks/Aspire is the key. The time spent learning, working thru frustrations and hand tracing and optimizing vectors, will pay dividends over time. It will build your drawing skills, confidence and fatten your wallet. There is no 2D shape you can't draw using the drawing tools in these programs. I get a lot of work simply because people don't put the time in to learn how to draw well enough for the higher end markets.

There are some fundamentals that should be mentioned - Don't get overwhelmed by 'busy' or highly ornate designs. Focus on pattern recognition and find similar or identical elements in the design. Never draw the same shape twice - if you can mirror over a design (or quattrofoil/diaper-fold) then by all means, do it so that you get symmetry. Look at the overall design & break it down into it's elemental shapes - then take those elements and break them down into their most elemental forms. Look for 'platonic shapes', that are easily identified as whole or partial triangles or other polygons, circles and squares.

This is what I refer to as "Thinking in CNC" - meaning, that when you are walking down the street and you see something you like & want to produce on your machine, break it down into it's constituent parts...even very busy designs become humbled by this process. By the way...good design, like patterns, are designed to keep your eye moving, and in some cases, overwhelm the senses so that your eye never stops to focus on any one part.

I really frown upon file sharing and goto this site to download this design etc. The reason being, that this sort of thing does nothing to help someone be able to draw something on their own. Unless of course, you are one of the very few people out there who would download a design as a case study, and then draw it from scratch yourself - making it your own (I said draw...not trace). File sharing does not build skills...it just dumbs down what you see in the world as everyone winds up cutting out the same junk...and these files are, by & large, junk.

-B

[CNYDWW]

Brady, thanks for the advanced explanation. I didn't realize that i was doing just what you said and wouldn't have given much more advice.

Regards
Randy

[CNYDWW]

Hey, how about a challenge.

I've attached a graphic. It's of an ornate register. Took a pic with my cell and converted it to a black and white for tracing.

Everyone who wants to, play with it and see what you get.

[Brady Watson]

You only need to draw a 1/4 of it...That type of symmetry is called 'diaper' folding.

-B

[steve_g]

This is the best I can do without seeing the actual grill... I try to eliminate as many nodes as possible and have free flowing curves or straight lines. All the curves were lost when I resized it and I'm left with a zillion nodes...:(

SG

[Simops]

Brady I hear you....

As a professional in another field one never stops learning....only know that too well.
Knowledge is strength......self education is a steep learning curve, which takes time; time which is always in short supply. In time I will learn the software as well as any of the veterans here....here in AUS there are no courses to attend so the process is slow but progressive.
In meantime I appreciate the help I have received to get going on this small project and learn from it.......:)

Cheers

[CNYDWW]

This is the best I can do without seeing the actual grill... I try to eliminate as many nodes as possible and have free flowing curves or straight lines. All the curves were lost when I resized it and I'm left with a zillion nodes...:(

SG

Steve,

Great Job

Gotta remember that sometimes you don't want it to look exact. I tweak, change and swap out elements between different pieces when it comes to this. Sometimes elements of a flat baluster come from a corner bracket. Other times it comes from a large piece of fretwork and i turn the corner of a panel into a corner bracket.

Again great job. Keep going.

Regards
Randy

[Brady Watson]

Gotta remember that sometimes you don't want it to look exact. I tweak, change and swap out elements between different pieces when it comes to this.

Exactly...

-B

[bill.young]

Here are a couple more examples of trim details