My comments and ways of talking on the forum

[genek]

Sometimes I get long winded on my comments. Sometimes I am too blunt and to the point. Take me with a grain of salt. I am retired military, and have been for over 10 years. My wife still Tell's me that I go into commander mood from time to time. One talks to people a certain way in the military and when you have talked that way for 30 years it is hard not too and hard to break that habit. My post are not to hurt or put down anyone. they are meant to help everyone. If I have a problems with you or want to make a comment directed at anyone in particular I will do it privately. Sometimes what we would say in person (one to one) is totally different than what we type. If I have hurt anyone's feelings Please forgive me and let me know so that I can apologize to you privately.

[jhedlund58]

Taking the caps off was a nice move... I old guy too and understand how our emphasis is mis-understood in todays world. I am 55 and got kids in high school.... I never spanked them... should have before they out grew me!!!

-Jeff

[2Egress Sound & Design]

No worries here, old Marine Corps guy on this end....I find your posts always trying to help or guide others to find work and such.

Keep it up.

:)

[genek]

Taking the caps off was a nice move... I old guy too and understand how our emphasis is mis-understood in todays world. I am 55 and got kids in high school.... I never spanked them... should have before they out grew me!!!

-Jeff
Jeff the caps is not meant as if I am yelling. I get busy designing and when I right instructions on the file I do so in caps. Then I jump over to the forum and I forget to change from upper case to lower... Just over look My caps when I do that.

sorry

[curtiss]

I think every American high school senior should have to go through a few days of basic training...

How can we get that started ???

[jhedlund58]

Eugine.... I liked the caps lock on... made it easier for me to read... and I do read your stuff.... I can take my cheater glasses off and read the caps on. I never thought u were yelling... just smart guy way ahead of his time on this forum stuff... CAPS ON

[genek]

I think every American high school senior should have to go through a few days of basic training...

How can we get that started ???
Curt send them to me for a week they will come back a changed person. lol

[Bob Eustace]

Taking the caps off was a nice move... I old guy too and understand how our emphasis is mis-understood in todays world. I am 55 and got kids in high school.... I never spanked them... should have before they out grew me!!!

-Jeff

Jeff you definitely arent old "old mate"!

[Brian Harnett]

Not sure what you may be referring to but I have never gotten that impression.
Put in 4 years in the army.

[scottp55]

Eugene, I like it better without the caps but never bothered me much. Remind me not to go to your "Boot Camp", I've had my ponytail since '73 and would hate to lose it now. I always welcome ideas. scott

[dlcw]

Sometimes I get long winded on my comments. Sometimes I am too blunt and to the point. Take me with a grain of salt. I am retired military, and have been for over 10 years. My wife still Tell's me that I go into commander mood from time to time. One talks to people a certain way in the military and when you have talked that way for 30 years it is hard not too and hard to break that habit. My post are not to hurt or put down anyone. they are meant to help everyone. If I have a problems with you or want to make a comment directed at anyone in particular I will do it privately. Sometimes what we would say in person (one to one) is totally different than what we type. If I have hurt anyone's feelings Please forgive me and let me know so that I can apologize to you privately.

Eugene, I too am retired military (US Coast Guard 23 years, retired in 2000) and yes it was tough to drop the military command structure style and assimilate back into the - sometimes undisciplined - civilian way of doing things. Things you have said have never offended me or rubbed me wrong. I guess being military for so long gives you a thicker skin and so little gets you upset.

I have stared down the barrel of a .45 aimed at me by a drug cartel thug and lived. Since that time, BIG problems in civilian life seem so small and insignificant. I know the sun is going to come up tomorrow and , God willing, I will get to watch it. Since retiring, stress has not been an issue in my life. Sometimes a little pressure to get some things done, but until you have faced an end-of-life possibility up close and personal, things just don't seem so stressful anymore. :)

Keep on keeping on.

[genek]

Eugene, I too am retired military (US Coast Guard 23 years, retired in 2000) and yes it was tough to drop the military command structure style and assimilate back into the - sometimes undisciplined - civilian way of doing things. Things you have said have never offended me or rubbed me wrong. I guess being military for so long gives you a thicker skin and so little gets you upset.

I have stared down the barrel of a .45 aimed at me by a drug cartel thug and lived. Since that time, BIG problems in civilian life seem so small and insignificant. I know the sun is going to come up tomorrow and , God willing, I will get to watch it. Since retiring, stress has not been an issue in my life. Sometimes a little pressure to get some things done, but until you have faced an end-of-life possibility up close and personal, things just don't seem so stressful anymore. :)

Keep on keeping on.
Mr. Thompson thanks for your service..I still have trouble even today with civilian life. I actual wish I was back in service, Tina wishes that we were still living on base. Life in the military is different than civilian life.

Most think military life is easy.. lol

hope you stuck that 45 up his rear and broke his arm off.

[Burkhardt]

Let me commend all you guys on your informative and civilized forum. I came here in the first place to show off my dovetail software (I sold a few but still waiting for somebody to present some actual project results, sigh....). But nowadays I find myself hanging around here quite often just to look at the interesting projects, ideas, hints and links, although I don't own a Shopbot. Just more professional than most of the other CNC places on the Internet, probably because there are more professionals here I guess :rolleyes:
Anyway, I appreciate Eugene's posts, caps or not.

[genek]

Let me commend all you guys on your informative and civilized forum. I came here in the first place to show off my dovetail software (I sold a few but still waiting for somebody to present some actual project results, sigh....). But nowadays I find myself hanging around here quite often just to look at the interesting projects, ideas, hints and links, although I don't own a Shopbot. Just more professional than most of the other CNC places on the Internet, probably because there are more professionals here I guess :rolleyes:
Anyway, I appreciate Eugene's posts, caps or not.
Mr. Burkhardt: May I make a suggestion to you. One of the things I have learned is that some of the men and women on here would love to make dove tailed boxes. However some need project to make. Designs some decorative boxes that they could use your software on.. Have some show and tell. Hope you do not mind my suggestions.. I have patterns for the average to use and make money with.. It is sort of hard to get people to see the benefit of ones soft ware. I have offered to help any of my customers and to help others. Not sure why you and I do not have more takers.

[genek]

Let me commend all you guys on your informative and civilized forum. I came here in the first place to show off my dovetail software (I sold a few but still waiting for somebody to present some actual project results, sigh....). But nowadays I find myself hanging around here quite often just to look at the interesting projects, ideas, hints and links, although I don't own a Shopbot. Just more professional than most of the other CNC places on the Internet, probably because there are more professionals here I guess :rolleyes:
Anyway, I appreciate Eugene's posts, caps or not.
by the way we do get rowdy here from time to time most in fun. some times we bust each others chops for the fun of it. lol

[dana_swift]

@Eugene - caps lock. Never write in all caps. That is an order from the world of netiquette. It is very offensive, much like going into a church and swearing. Just don't do it. It does change my response - usually to no comment when I may have something to contribute. Etiquette is something my mother always tried to drill into me, and at the time I had no idea why. I am not as good at it as I would like to be, but I am trying.

If you are angry with someone yelling at them guarantees that communication just ended. So in the civilian world one should not yell, as there is often consequences that are socially unacceptable. Online, all-caps is yelling, even if you don't intend it that way. It is interpreted that way by enough of us that it should never be done. If you wish particular emphasis, use bold or italics, or color. Much more effective, and it keeps communication open.

One exception to the all caps rule. Example code, such as SBP file snippets should be shown the way they would be written for the SBC program to interpret. That is not yelling, that is providing help. What forums anywhere are about. Some programming languages use all caps, or are case insensitive. If the standard style for the language is all caps.. then it more helpful to show code the way a newbie would expect to see it.

@Mr Burkhardt - Your dovetail software is genius! I write lots of toolpath generators for my own use, and appreciate the insights you used to create your software. I have written all kinds of software for the shopbot that I don't bother to post because it just gets in too deep. My shopbot gets used in ways that would make most forum users mouth drop. Just like your dovetail software did.

I have a deep mathematical background, and one in electrical engineering/computing. I like helping people, and will post when I think it is not a duplication of SB tech support. A significant percentage of my posts are about electrical questions, some about software, but most of my "posts" I don't submit.

Mr Burkhardt, do you have a first name? Its nice to write to a person as if I were speaking to them in the room. Using the same logic as "not shouting" in person or in writing.

@all

When I see someone giving outright incorrect electrical advise, I usually don't post anything. I just cringe. I am somewhat surprised that SB tech support does not enter a corrective comment, as usually the result of bad advice is an unreliable shopbot. Unreliability is blamed on the manufacturer instead of the installer. Even when it is physics not phoolz behind the problem.

Tech support does not post to the forum like they once did. When is the last time Ted posted anything? The community that made shopbots great tools to own seems to be fading away. The tools are still good, but new owners need hand holding. The forum works best when the answers are correct. Once a correct answer is posted, it seems a bunch of "me too" replies get posted that add nothing.

The forum is a place where people with shared interests meet and help each other. Shouting has no place. Bad advice has no place.

I regret that the forum does not have a way to provide value information on individual contributors. Newbies could tell the difference between someone who posts rarely but is a master at their craft, and someone else who is posting to see themselves in print. Senior members and new member ratings seem to be based on time since first post. The forum needs something more useful.

Now- I will submit this. Will the replies be thoughtful?

[billp]

Well said, all of it....

[steve_g]

Dana...
Thank you for your kind and gentle chiding... you're always the gentleman!

SG

[Burkhardt]

....@Mr Burkhardt - Your dovetail software is genius! I write lots of toolpath generators for my own use, and appreciate the insights you used to create your software. I have written all kinds of software for the shopbot that I don't bother to post because it just gets in too deep. My shopbot gets used in ways that would make most forum users mouth drop. Just like your dovetail software did.

I have a deep mathematical background, and one in electrical engineering/computing. I like helping people, and will post when I think it is not a duplication of SB tech support. A significant percentage of my posts are about electrical questions, some about software, but most of my "posts" I don't submit.

Mr Burkhardt, do you have a first name? Its nice to write to a person as if I were speaking to them in the room. Using the same logic as "not shouting" in person or in writing.

Hello Dana, thanks for the nice words about the dovetail app. I am also electrical engineer but my math knowledge is rather rusty than deep. It took me a while to dig out stuff I learned 40 years ago (how to calculate the specific angles that allow the dovetails to fit).

I do have a first name which is Gert (somewhat common German name). I do not mind at all if the members of this community know it and use it but I prefer to keep my login names anonymous and different for most forums. That my last name shows up is already a signup mistake.

Maybe it is paranoid but I just don't want to have the net crawler bots from Yahoo, Google, NSA, Microsoft, Chinese Peoples' Army or whoever else link together everything I am doing online. It did happen to me that one of the folks who work for me asked me questions about some private hobby forum posts he found googling my name. Nothing embarrassing but still annoying.

[Burkhardt]

......I regret that the forum does not have a way to provide value information on individual contributors. Newbies could tell the difference between someone who posts rarely but is a master at their craft, and someone else who is posting to see themselves in print......

I see the problem and it might help if the forum would have a rating feature like some of the opinion blogs. No idea if that is available somewhere.

Now, for the "weight" of the post it is a double edged thing. I know from other forums (motorcycles and cars as well as CNC) that some folks develop to be the opinion leaders and gurus. While usually providing reliable answers to common questions, they also introduce an element of conservatism and tend to put down new and unconventional ideas. I guess that is not much different from a real face-to-face community and after all a benefit for newbies.

For example I tried to convince the folks on CNC-Zone that it is perfectly fine, much easier and more efficient to cool a "water-cooled" spindle from outside with the dust collector air. I have been doing this for a long time but probably too much out-of-the-box :D
Oh well, I stopped plugging this idea.