Links to simple free 2d clipart anyone?

[gundog]

I am looking to make a few signs for family and I would like to find some 2d clip art like a deer head, golf bag with clubs, trout or salmon that type stuff. Anyone know of a good source it seems when I search for free I don't really find any useful files. I had some saved on my old computer but nothing now.

Thanks Mike

[genek]

Try searching for those in vector clip like deer head vector clip art. Think you may find it that way.. By the way how is your sign going.

[gundog]

I have been searching the web for some simple clipart but I am not finding Northwest type wildlife Salmon, deer, Elk Etc.

My sign is not been completed yet I don't like the font I have to choose from my last computer also had a bunch of fonts I lost that I downloaded free off the net. I am not a sign maker nor do I plan on being one except free signs for friends and relatives so I have no copy right worries as I don't charge for the few signs I make.

I made a simple sign today for my mother who is visiting and I wanted to add some clipart but could not find what I was looking for. I wanted to add a simple dear head on one side and golf bag on the other but so far I have come up empty.

Mike

[Xray]

Good way to find simple stuff like that is do a google search for, say, deer.
Then click images, search tools then type.
Try line drawing, scroll through them and save ones you like, clip art/black & white is a good option too. From there you will only have to apply vectors to them, pretty easy for simple 2d like this. If you can't you'll have to learn, or get a program like vector magic for a 1 click solution.

[gundog]

This is what I made I just wanted to add a little bling on each end.

[genek]

MR. MILLER GO TO THIS SITE http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AmNqyMYU_76tsRN2LOZwiRebvZx4?p=DEER+HE AD+VECTOR+CLIPART&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-122

HERE IS A GOLF BAG SECTION http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AmNqyMYU_76tsRN2LOZwiRebvZx4?p=GOLF+BA G+VECTOR+CLIP+ART&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-122

[kartracer63]

Mike,

Unfortunately, even though you're making signs for free to give away, you still can't copy and use a copyrighted image you find off the internet. And just because the image you find doesn't have the copyright "C" on the image, doesn't mean it's free for the taking.

Do the right thing and buy your images that you want to use. Usually, they can be purchased for $4.00 to $10.00 each. A small price to pay to support the artists that create these images.

[myxpykalix]

ug..

here is a guy who makes dxf 2d stuff and gives it away for free:
http://mydxf.blogspot.com/

[genek]

Eric did not know that. thanks for the info

[kartracer63]

Jack,

That site might work for Mike's needs. But, maybe not.

It clearly states on his site that his images are for personal use only.


Mike,

Before using one of his images, you might want to seek permission to use it on a sign you intend to make for somebody else, regardless if any funds are exchanged.

[steve_g]

Making something for a friend is clearly "Personal" IMHO...

SG

[kartracer63]

LOL!!!

Making something for myself would be personal. Making something for somebody else would not be.

[myxpykalix]

Well i guess it depends on how you interpret the term "personal use".

To me in this instance if i use one of his files to make a sign, then i decide to give that sign away, that's personal use. I don't think the end use (whether it is a sign or a design on a jewelry box makes a difference).:confused:

If i use that design to make 100 signs and sell that's not.

What if you made a jewelry box for a relative...is that considered personal use?

[kartracer63]

Why is it that everytime this issue is brought up, everybody has a different wrong answer.

Using your logic...

I guess Ford wouldn't have a problem if I reverse engineered their cars and manufactured my own copies, as long as I used it myself or only GAVE them away to my friends and relatives.

Or I guess Mike wouldn't have a problem if I made copies of his products and gave them away to all of my boating friends.

You guys can't possibly think that this is acceptable!

[steve_g]

My personal preference is to buy my art through my business and add it to my collection of unquestioned ownership...

However in the interest of a lively conversation... I think the distinction is "personal" or "commercial". Giving away to friends is clearly not commercial!

Copyright law in the US is clearly in need of a revamp. I read one legal opinion that publishing your work on the web was in an of it self an act of "not vigorously defending your copyright" !

SG

[myxpykalix]

With all due respect Eric, and i don't mean this in any smart alecky way, but maybe you are wrong?:eek:

If the guy makes these files, and he says "here you can have these for free" but with the caveat of "just don't use them to make money or resell them" then whether you use them to make a sign or jewelry box or whatever i don't see any problem.
I think if someone were to ask him he probably wouldn't be as worked up as you seem to be.:eek:
Where your analogy is flawed in your examples re: (Ford, reverse engineering) is that the guy made these to give away for free in the first place.

This is simply a difference of opinion...we all are entitled to our own.

[kartracer63]

Jack,

With all due respect, my advice to Mike 4 posts ago was to ask permission from the guy if he wants to use the image on a sign for anybody besides himself.

Because, my idea of personal use, and your idea of personal use, and Steve's idea of personal use is probably 3 different things.

Put it this way... if I sent you a file that I created (because you asked me for it), and told you that it was for YOUR personal use ONLY, I would be very disappointed to find out you made several items with my file to give out as gifts to friends, relatives and associates.

The guy didn't say "here you can have these for free" but with the caveat of "just don't use them to make money or resell them". He says "For personal use only".

And Steve, if publishing one's work on the web (or anywhere else) was an act of not defending a copyright, where the heck would anybody advertise their work? That line of thought is preposterous!

[chiloquinruss]

If a copyright owner sues you over a sign for your mom. . . . .

ASK FOR A JURY TRIAL! :eek:

Russ

[steve_g]

"That line of thought is preposterous!"

My point exactly! Copyright law hasn't caught up to the digital age!

A number of years ago, I asked a lawyer friend a question along these lines and was told emphatically that "no profit, no infringement." Later when she was a judge, I asked her if she would give the same answer... I was told that the answers had become blurred and would eventually have to be sorted out in the courts... That's why I own my art, I don't care to become involved in a test case! However, my personal opinion is just that... Personal!

SG

[kartracer63]

I think the copyright laws are pretty clear. And I don't think the web changes anything (other than the amount of material available to steal) on how the laws are interpreted. Prior to the web, businesses advertised in all kinds of print media. I don't believe anybody could have confused their willingness to advertise in a magazine or newspaper with their unwillingness to defend their copyrights.

Regardless if somebody profited, or not, from stolen copyrighted material, it's morally wrong to take it, if not illegal.

[steve_g]

This brings up another term... "inspired by" Lets say so and so draws a cute rabbit. Does this mean that no one else can draw a cute rabbit? Obviously other drawings of cute rabbits are allowed! But If artist so and so recognizes another's work as his own then there's a problem! However if the drawing is similar but clearly not a copy, than "inspired by" Rules the day and no violation. Come on guys... With vector editing it's very easy to become inspired by and not a copy cat!

SG

[kartracer63]

Oh whatever!

I give up!

[myxpykalix]

Regardless if somebody profited, or not, from stolen copyrighted material, it's morally wrong to take it, if not illegal.

This was not "stolen copyrighted material" was the point i was making.

[Xray]

Oh sheesh, every site has to have a self appointed copyright rentacop - I suppose his next move will be to alert the proper authorities !
If the guy was so worried about infringement, obviously he would not post 100's of his files online.
If you have to get technical, his terms are "By visiting this site you agree to not distribute or publish any material from this site." I take that to mean, don't download it and post it at your website as yours ,,, Else what exactly are you supposed to do with it ? I commend the guy for his sharing spirit but his designs are pretty cheesy, which is why they are posted openly and free. I seriously doubt if he'd be upset if you carved something and gave it to grams, in fact he'd probably feel complimented that someone actually used something of his.
Yes, we should observe moral & legal considerations at all times but lets face facts, when someone posts something on the internet they have shared it with the world, and if they don't want it used they ought not post it.

You guys want to see a class act, check out Steve Good. He makes some world class scroll saw patterns [many if not all can be cut on CNC as well], posts them for people to do as they please with - None of this cynical "Here they are, but don't use them !!" bs.
Here are his terms: " You can make as many projects from these patterns as you wish.
This includes personal or commercial use including mass production."

Hes got 100's of outstanding patterns there for the taking, and provisions for donations if you want, I wish more people that post there stuff online allegedly for "free" would follow his example.

http://stevedgo.ipower.com/cat/

[gundog]

Man I went to dinner with my folks and this thread went sideways. I have a US patent and one US patent pending I think this is a similar situation. I have people who have copied my patent and do sell the products yes I can sue them but the cost of court action runs about $50,000 for a simple case and if you win you are not entitled to your legal fees unless you can prove willful infringement.

In order to win a judgement you have to show commercial loss according to my attorney I need to show where a customer who normally orders from me now buys from the person copying my stuff or is taking from me future customers.

If someone copies my stuff to build something for themselves I have no case nor would it bother me. Making money on my patented designs is another story but unless it cost me more than my attorney fees it is what it is a sucky situation.

I am not afraid to copy Disney characters and make things for my grand kids but I would never sell any of this stuff.

If they sue me they must show loss I doubt it is worth Sueing me for $4.I feel I am an ethical person and that is how I view this. Making a profit from someone elses work without payment is unethical in my eyes.

I am not opposed to paying for some images if I find what I am looking for I am still looking.

Mike

[Red F]

I was told a long time ago that to take from one source is plagiarism. To take from 2 sources is research.

I strongly discourage plagiarism in my woodworking classes.

[waterwheelman]

I whole hardily agree with Mike.

[Jerome]

Here is the the text I copied from mddxf.txt file that was contained in a zip file I downloaded From the link provided by Jack.

DXF File

2009 - Switcher

http://mydxf.blogspot.com

This dxf is free for all non-commercial uses.

[steve_g]

Thanks Jerome...
I think it's easier to agree what "non commercial" use is than what constitutes "personal" use...

SG

[gundog]

My folks left yesterday and took their sign I made them I used a solid oak door taken from our kitchen remodel. I told them to make sure they seal it good and not hang it in the direct weather I hope it holds up if not I will cut another one from something else. Here is what I came up with I will have them send me a picture when my step dad finishes it (painting & sealing).

[kartracer63]

Nice job Mike! I'm sure they'll enjoy their sign for many years to come.

I see more signs in your future too.