Eora 3D Kickstarter

[Burkhardt]

New scanner, supposedly with high resolution (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/259051227/eora-3d-high-precision-3d-scanning-on-your-smartph). Looks quite interesting. I am a bit skeptical if they can deliver but the investment is moderate and I contributed to funding.

[Davo]

It's got my attention

[Davo]

Maybe I'm easily impressed but I'm sold on it....

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vLauqVW5lYA

[Burkhardt]

I will post here once I know if and how well it works. However, the target release date for shipment is next Summer....

[Xray]

Lot of them cropping up, this is the one I got my eyeballs on, still waiting for forum reviews

https://www.fuel-3d.com/

I like to be proven wrong, but sub $1K I have the feeling you'll get what you pay for.

Cubify Sense, for instance. Horrid reviews.
http://www.amazon.com/3D-SYSTEMS-INC-Systems-Scanner/dp/B00HLJFMMO

[Davo]

I talked to the fuel 3D people before

They said their scanner does not like shines objects or lack of detail

I've considered this http://www.dotproduct3d.com/DPI7.php

But it's semi pricey - the engineering companies I work with do lots of laser scanning inside the refineries with the $50k-$100k scanners so this small handle held was interesting to them

However it uses an Xbox 360 type of sensor so the sun and shiney objects also affect it rendering it not too practical

Limited range of 10-20ft

I played with it during a class - was very impressive as it scanned and registered point clouds in real time in the piping I scanned

But too expensive for my taste to make a simple Shopbot 3D object
The probe still seems to be my best bet

[bleeth]

At this point there are so many options out there for 3-d scanning using "low cost" hardware/software packages that there is no way to separate the ones who actually have their act together and those who don't. For those who want to use it for creating any kind of web or video based products most of them will likely work fine. For creating clean and smooth models for the purpose of carving, that is another question. Since having a clean carve-able model requires such a high resolution and clean borders all around, I would think that most of them would need a huge amount of "hand work" by your own Cad/cam package or finishing cleanup of the produced object. Although there is no way to predict the actual future I would guess that the ones that actually get to the point of producing a 3-d mesh or shape that can be carved without high amounts of user skilled touch-up will be few and far between and won't by cheap for quite a while.

[Xray]

I talked to the fuel 3D people before

They said their scanner does not like shines objects or lack of detail

I've considered this http://www.dotproduct3d.com/DPI7.php

But it's semi pricey - the engineering companies I work with do lots of laser scanning inside the refineries with the $50k-$100k scanners so this small handle held was interesting to them

However it uses an Xbox 360 type of sensor so the sun and shiney objects also affect it rendering it not too practical

Limited range of 10-20ft

I played with it during a class - was very impressive as it scanned and registered point clouds in real time in the piping I scanned

But too expensive for my taste to make a simple Shopbot 3D object
The probe still seems to be my best bet

I assume you [they] mean contrast rather than detail.
Sure, if you tried to scan a boiled egg against a white cloth, results may not be too impressive. I could live without the ability to reproduce shiny objects. In a few months I'll have $$ coming out of my ears and burning holes in my pockets, I'll get one and post back with results.

[rb99]

I talked to the fuel 3D people before

They said their scanner does not like shines objects or lack of detail

I've considered this http://www.dotproduct3d.com/DPI7.php

But it's semi pricey - the engineering companies I work with do lots of laser scanning inside the refineries with the $50k-$100k scanners so this small handle held was interesting to them

However it uses an Xbox 360 type of sensor so the sun and shiney objects also affect it rendering it not too practical

Limited range of 10-20ft

I played with it during a class - was very impressive as it scanned and registered point clouds in real time in the piping I scanned

But too expensive for my taste to make a simple Shopbot 3D object
The probe still seems to be my best bet


How much is semi pricey?

[Davo]

X-ray: the company said it needed more edges for better scans, flat areas did not pick up so well, if light hits a portion of the object and shines a little or glossy it can affect the results, plus your limited to a distance for an object the size of a piece of paper, which was very acceptable for me - they make you put a scaled disk near the object and the camera tells you when you can snap the picture at a given distance - the fuel 3D is affordable my comment on spending money was for the dpi 7

Rb: Was $5000 for the dpi 7 a year or so ago - but thats CHEAP to get into pointcloud laser scanning with realtime registering... I just want to scan a keyboard or fork for fun though.. :cool:

I did consider it to use inside of boats and scan their unique curves to design custom shapes in autocad then cut it out on the shopbot, I also wanted it to build a custom hard dodger on a sailboat with all of its headache curves.

A new one is coming out I think, but it requires addon software to make a mesh and in my experience thru the years - point clouds are not very detailed when converted to mesh and most people use mesh lamps because it's free otherwise the expensive stuff is LFM/Cyclone - it's mainly just a tool for us drafters to design in an area and mate up to objects or avoid obstacles - The DPI does not create solids, just floating nodes in space that create an image when zoomed out far enough - and the files are HUGE, we have had 50+ gigs for areas of a few hundred feet - All depends on the detail level we scanned at

However the cool thing about the DPI... I thought it would be neat to bring on vacation and literally archive the moments - because you can use Recap or a free pointcloud viewer and walk through the scans as if it was a video game - reliving the moment = interactive photography.

[Brady Watson]

All the scanners mentioned in this thread are junk. I get emails and PMs every time the scanner of the month crops up with their dog and pony show video, cunningly seducing the ignorant about how it will make all your scanning dreams come true. There have been so many of these junk scanners mentioned over the years. Not long ago, the Sense was the latest way to separate you from your money...Then the Fuel...now this thing. I read posts like this and get sad because you guys get suckered so easily. It is because you don't know any better...part of that is innocent ignorance; another is because you refuse to research the subject and educate yourself.

Either way, I feel a moral obligation to sway 'you people' away from these toys because the end result will surely be an empty wallet and an overflow of disappointment. Very few read the whitepapers associated with scanning devices and understand how they work (or how they won't work for their application). Don't be fooled and suckered so easily or get distracted by all the 'pretty lights' and terms that are used. I would venture to say that very few have even calculated how large 100 microns is in inches while they are reading the documentation so that they can relate to what is being said there. "Wow! Microns!? That sounds real small!"

Few have mentioned what they would even need a scanner for...Davo mentioned measuring the inside of a boat hull. This is easily done with a weighted tripod and tape measure that can swivel on the tripod mount. The manufacturing of a boat hull is sloppy since it is laid up from the inside...even vacuum formed ones are 'wally' and inconsistent by at least 1/8". Want to scan the inside of a boat with a non-contact scanner? Plan on spending around $25k for the scanner, and then another $15k for the proper software to have it do what you want it to do. That is entry level, BTW.

When looking for a scanner, you must know exactly what the intended use is, including surface texture, color and scale. No single scanner is going to do it all. Furthermore, advertised metrics are usually an indication of the system's best results, but not it's typical results. All non-contact scanning solutions have a sweet spot where things are the most accurate. The more you go outside of this range, the less accurate and reliable the data becomes.

I have nothing to gain from posting in this thread. Why would I sway you away from these types of scanners, you may ask? Out of compassion for my fellow man. I know better because scanning is what I do for a living, and I do it better than anyone else here. I don't want you to waste your money on junk. I am not posting for some kind of a red herring to discourage competition. Most of you are so cheap you will never pay to have anything scanned anyway...and if cash is that tight for you, I feel obligated to advise you not to waste your hard earned cash on junkware.

I've been scanning professionally for well over 10 years. I can scan the relief of a coin or a Mack truck and anything in between. I know what it takes to do this; a heavy investment in hardware, software and time to understand the craft. The same ignorant thoughts about just 'pushing a button' on the CNC applies to scanning as well. Acquiring the data is one VERY SMALL part of the entire scanning process. So if you start with garbage going in, it will be garbage coming out. I wish that we were at a point with the technology where I could spend a few hundred (or thousand) on one of these schmucky devices and get good scans...but this isn't going to happen any time soon.

If you want to get started in digitizing, start with a touch probe in your CNC. It is slow, yes...but, it can scan well enough to produce useful data that can be massaged in Aspire. You can scan one side or rotary with the probe & the data will be collected at the same angle/approach as your cutting tool would. For things that need higher resolution and detail, just send it out to be scanned. I would say more than half of my customers own 3D scanners that couldn't make the grade for their work. This includes scanners in the $40k range. Think about that for a moment.

-B

[Davo]

Thanks for the info Brady - agreed

Even the expensive scanners we use in the engineering of refineries are only good for 1/16" up to a point and our design standards are to 1/8", but they are not made for reproduction, only to eliminate hand measuring and give visuals

No matter what I seem to be coming back to the probe like you say as the best solution

I'm still impressed with the new technology though... I have a thing for gadgets

Heck I purchased a Flir camera just because....took a small class cause I like the technology, I have used it and helped many people with issues on their homes and boats - also prior to them buying those items to find issues

[scottp55]

Davo,
You saw TJ has a Shopbot digitizing probe class tomorrow?
http://www.talkshopbot.com/forum/showthread.php?22156-Digitizing-Probe-Wednesday-October-28th-at-1-00pmEDT
Just in case anybody missed it.
scott

[Davo]

Didn't know about that - I will check it out

Thanks Scott!

[Burkhardt]

.........I read posts like this and get sad because you guys get suckered so easily. It is because you don't know any better..........

Brady, I think it is even worse. I do know better...but I am a sucker for new gadgets :)
I a way I don't even have a specific purpose for this thing so I apologize if sending other folks here an a wild goose chase.

However, once a while such ventures deliver usable results and one never knows how it ends up.

[Brady Watson]

Brady, I think it is even worse. I do know better...but I am a sucker for new gadgets :)


I understand - I figured you were astute enough to get that. Hopefully you can get some playful enjoyment out of it.

It can be a fun science experiment running around the house looking for things to scan (http://www.talkshopbot.com/forum/showthread.php?22160-3D-Flowers). ;)


-B

[myxpykalix]

Sheesh....what a "Debbie Downer" Brady...(just kidding) These "toys" are the things we get excited by at our age and I have been caught up in it also and almost bought one of those scanners that attaches to your ipad till you (our Master Po) set us back on the right path of enlightenment.
I went and did more research after reading your post back then and decided against it. So keep us in line thanks

[Xray]

I personally won't be put off from trying, after doing what research I can.
Fuel3D has got some good reviews on Amazon from people that sound like they are getting good use from them. The guy behind them [allegedly] invented something with the same technology for the medical field. Some others, I'd probably donate to charity before wasting my $$ on them. I am not expecting a 1 click solution or something that is going to scan masterpieces with no effort required on my part. Nothing risked, nothing gained is the way I see it - And as far as that goes, I have heard nothing but almost universal disdain for probes, with most people sounding like they'd rather go through a root canal than a probe session.

[rb99]

100 microns =
0.00393700787 inches

[rb99]

Most of you are so cheap you will never pay to have anything scanned anyway
-B

Is this something you could educate me on? I have no idea about what it costs... How it is calculated etc. How much is it to scan say a silver dollar? An old telephone? A cam shaft from V8 motor? (These just came to mind, generalizations are cool too).

Thank you

[Davo]

I purchased a Shopbot+aspire+model packages......and laser plus a huge car hauler to keep it all portable...pricey bits..office locations....warehouse.... Wouldn't belittle or degrade the quality of my character or myself as a cheapskate...

However my boat and marina do look cheapish - had to cut somewhere