Wave Panel

[edp]

Looking for some help on a contoured African mahogany panels that the architect wants to look like stylized waves. The panels are 5/8" thick. Panels will be glued over a 3/4 marine ply panel in the door. See elevation and rendering below it to see what he wants.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
I have a picture of the effect he wants and a drawing but it is too big to post.

[jerry_stanek]

Have you check the Vectric site they have tutorials on how to make textured panels

[Burkhardt]

Obviously wave objects have many variables, like size, resolution, wavelength, amplitude, plain or circular etc...

I have a tool to generate a variety of waves as .stl file (alternatively direct gcode) like these:
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Even weird ones that don't exist in nature:
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Let me know if that would help you. You can mail me at "info AT tailmaker.net", maybe with an image of what is needed.

GB

[scottp55]

Gert is always a tremendous help...I'd take him up on help!
BUT, you might also like to at least be aware of Paul Rowntree's "Standing Wave " program also?
Have NOT used it myself, but Do use his "Topo" fairly often.
http://paulrowntree.weebly.com/standingwave.html
scott

Make sure and post pics when you can please:)

[edp]

Here is the picture and drawing.

http://www.talkshopbot.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=32316&stc=1

http://www.talkshopbot.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=32317&stc=1

[bleeth]

The rendering panel is a lot thicker proportionately in appearance then 5/8".
Done in 5/8 much of the dramatic effect will be lost. Another issue you may run into is warping of the panel as it cuts from stress relief in the grain.
I would mount it to the substrate and backscrew the heck out of the 3/4" to cut any kind of a laid up African Mahogany panel.
The wave pattern in the rendering is fairly easy in Aspire with some vectors and an extruded cross section. It wiould take a long time to cut as well.
The wave pattern shown in the elevation is more realistic to execute and can also be done easily with the vectors, a big cove bit, and simply cutting between the vectors with it.
Again, due to the shallow depth of the board, the vectors need to be fairly close. End result will be much more ripples than waves.
Doing waves from vectors that way, instead of using a 3D strategy, cuts a whole lot faster.

[edp]

Agree that the 5/8" thick panel is a bit thin for the contours shown in the rendering but the door thickness mandates 5/8" panels. The panels will be epoxied onto the substrate and pressed for curing when completed. Substrate is 3/4 marine ply, balance of door is Sapele which is a bit more stable than African mahogany. We did a sample part panel on some scrap Upvc signboard done with vectors as you suggested - not what the architect wanted unfortunately. Length of time to cut will not be a problem - the cut file is...

[Mark Farris]

EDP,
Here is a panel I designed several years ago and I still sell it today. Don’t know if it’s what your looking for, but the depth of cut is less than 1/4”.

Thanks,
Mark
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[Mark Farris]

Sorry, I have no idea why the first pic uploads upside down??

Mark

[edp]

Looks like it may work. I sent it to the architect for his input. Many thanks

[edp]

Spoke to architect - he want a rendering for client approval - He thinks this will work. How shall we proceed? Perhaps photoshop a panel section onto the elevation drawing? I dont want to order the cut file and have the client say that's not quite what I want. I'm sure you've been there......

[waynelocke]

Tell the architect that you will bill for the rendering. Just the thought of paying often clarifies things. You can bet that the architect does not give renderings away. As a general proposition you should try never to give away design time. It is imminently reasonable.

[chiloquinruss]

never to give away design time I totally agree. Three aspects need to be part of your billing calculations in order to come up with a total. Design, machining, and finishing. If the client requires a rendering then that should be billed as a separate function. My 2 cents worth, spend wisely! ;) Russ

[bleeth]

10-4 on that! He says a concept works and now would like specific labor to produce a custom part for him.
This is far beyond using a cabinet program to produce a rendering elevation or panorama with basic entries.
You send him the rendering. Guess what? He then says that's "almost it but can you...…?" or worse.
I spent my woodworking career by scribbling a design on a notepad and getting a deposit before I went down the road of presentable layouts or renderings.
Didn't do bad. Only got shafted a couple times and that was when I did go against this or a couple other basic common sense business rules.

[joe]

On this topic I'm in full agreement with Dave.

I enjoy working with architects but of all my customers there expectations can quickly get out of hand. In their defense they often don't know the degree of difficulty their orders entail. I watch my architects more closely than other clients. But the work is good as long as you don't let them work you in a corner.

[edp]

Mark -

Architect accepted your wave design - I copied a section of the wall and pasted it onto the panel of the elevation drawing. Would you be willing to do me a cut file based on a section of your wave wall design? I used the upper left hand section to copy. The panel is 27 1/4"w x 61 7/8"h.

[edp]

Good morning Mark and all the best for the New Year. Don't know whether you got my last. I would like to use your cut file for the door panels if you could help me out here. I have no problem paying for the file but have to get it done this week and time is getting away from me. Please let me know if you can help.

[edp]

Hello all -

Have been trying to get in touch again with Mark Farris. The wave wall design will work perfectly for the panel but he is apparently not getting my posts or PM's. Is there anyone out there that can do this cut file for me based on Mark's wave wall design? Time is running out on this and there is no one here in Barbados that can do the file.

[grant_bailey]

Hello edp. I can help you with this. I have some texture designs including the following which are ready to go. Please PM me to discuss.

http://www.talkshopbot.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=32406&stc=1

[bleeth]

Grant can sure do this for you, but also if you left click on Mark's name in thee corner of his post you can send an email
New member Grant? LOL

[joe]

Price:

10 square feet.
$1,285.00
Does not include shipping, or laminating.

[waynelocke]

I don’t mean to rain on anyone’s parade but Joe’s post made me go back and look at the drawing. I’m assuming that the grain goes horizontally across the 27” dimension which will result in 62” in the direction of expansion. Such a panel could move more than a half inch over a year. Epoxy, screws, other adhesives, nothing is going to stop it it is going to fail on both sides. Why laminate it at all. Why not make a thicker panel and mount it in a way to accommodate the movement.

[joe]

Wayne,

Excellent point.

I'm sure the architect isn't considering the expansion-contraction factor. Once again, one should understand many architects aren't invested in the details of the process.

Joe