Picture frame in plaque

[phd1658]

I need to mount a picture in a plaque I am making. The "frame" will be oval. I figured I could cut two concentric ovals from the back side with the smaller oval going all the way through the plaque and the larger one maybe a little over half way through to provide a "lip" against which the glass & picture could rest. Then I was thinking about cutting another oval of thin material to place in the back side to secure it. Questions:

1. Anybody have ideas as to what sort of hardware (and where to get it) to secure the back plate?
2. Anybody else have a better way of doing it?

Thanks!

[tmerrill]

Bill,

I've used clips like these to do something similar. Order them ahead of time and get good measurments and you can pocket them flush with the back. Other sources could be Woodcraft, Rockler, Woodworker's Supply to name a few. Lowes and HD might even carry them in the hardware section.

http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=2&p=41859&cat=3,40914,50427 (http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=2&p=41859&cat=3%2C40914%2C50427)

Tim

[phd1658]

Thanks, Tim!

[bob_s]

Bill;
I use a couple of fender rashers with a small screw, jut put a shim under the washer where it goes behind the picture part. If you are going to cover (hide) the back with kraft paper you can't what is there anyway. Those clips are nice, but if you just need a couple this may be easier.

[myxpykalix]

Bill,
I have done this several times and i make the back with a larger hole which creates a rebate (rabbit) in the back that i cut out a piece of masonite to fit into. I then just use those small little triangles that you use for a picture frame to hold the masonite in. Go to a craft store or picture frame shop or walmarts and you should find exactly what you need.

[zeykr]

You might check into a glazing tool like http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=32118&cat=1,43293 (http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=32118&cat=1%2C43293)

Lee valley has apparently sold out, but expect a google will turn up others.

[phd1658]

Thanks, Bob, but if things go as planned.......I will be selling several hundred a year. Jack thanks for the suggestion. I would imagine that masonite would be ideal for a backing and I like the idea of using the the "triangles", at least for the prototype phase. Ken, that is just too COOL for the room. If my projections for production materialize, that will definitely be the way to go!

Now I need to start searching the forum for glass cutting. I'm hoping I'll just be able to buy a diamond bit or something and cut the glass ovals. I don't have vacuum, but I think double sticky backed tape should hold the glass while cutting.

[road_king]

Bill,

I purchased one of these :

http://www.woodcraft.com/Family/2005907/2005907.aspx

at Woodcraft

GB

[phd1658]

Gerald, price wise, that's even better......and we've got a Woodcraft store not too far from here. Looking at them though, I'm a little concerned about the actual length of the driver. My ovals will only be about 3" tall by 2" wide, which wouldn't be enough room to put the driver inside the perimeter and still be flat. Then again, the angle at which I would have to hold it would be so slight that it shouldn't matter.

As to cutting glass with the Bot, my forum search didn't yield anything hopefull. It looked like some guys had etched successfully with a diamond bit, but just about everything I saw relating to glass cutting recommended against it. Any body have any thing new on glass cutting? Thanks!

[billp]

Bill,
You might want to contact Russ Todd at widgetworksunlimited.com
He's shown an after market diamond attachment for the Shopbot at a number of Camps, and says that people have been using it to cut glass for stained glass, etc.
In fact Shopbot sells his gadgets on their web page !

[phd1658]

Thanks, Bill. Will definitely give him a call.

[myxpykalix]

bill depending on the size of your rounds or ovals for glass you can go to the dollar store and buy picture frames with the glass already cut (if your design is close in size).
Also they have small round mirror "coasters" that I have used as a small mirror insert in a handheld mirror.

[myxpykalix]

FYI: here's how i did my last one

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the plaque was made from the tree i had to cut down in the picture.

[ssflyer]

Bill,

I have the WidgetWorks diamond drag bit. It works very well for scoring the glass for what you need, with the added benefit of being able to etch designs in the glass, too...

[phd1658]

I called Russ Todd........really nice guy who very graciously shared several pointers not only on his own products but other subjects as well. Jack, that is one cool plaque! I'll definitely cruise by the Dollar Store. I've been buying my "throw away" paint brushes there. They work pretty good! Ron, thanks for the recommendation on the drag bit. The etching ability is really a great thing to have. I can think of several projects already!

[wayne_walker]

Jack,

The "triangles" things are called push points, They are used to hold the glass in place for wood frame windows that are then puttied with glazing compound. Any hardware should have them.

They are generally installed with a stiff putty knife.

Link for push points...
http://www.crlaurence.com/crlapps/showline/offerpage.aspx?Productid=5749&GroupID=22888&Histor y=39325:1491:22132:22882&ModelID=22888

I think there is a gun of some kind that works like a staple gun that installs a flat diamond shape metal retainer.

Good Luck.

Wayne

[rb99]

I had a stapler that would put them in...

RIB

[road_king]

Every once in a while I end up using this with the "diamond shaped metal retainers":



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[road_king]

Found some of the "diamond shaped metal retainers" so here's another pic with the retainers"


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[phd1658]

Hey Gerald, any idea what that thing is called? I did a web search for push point tool, but didn't come up with anything. I know you can push in the "points" with a screwdriver, but your tool looks like it would be more failsafe as well as fitting into tighter paces. Thanks!

[hh_woodworking]

They are picture frame pliers
http://www.amazon.com/Peachtree-Woodworking-PICTURE-FRAME-PLIERS/dp/B00153LKU0

[shoeshine]

They are also sold as "glazing pliers" if you make windows instead of frames.

[rb99]

Here is a "tab" staple gun.

http://www.poolewood.co.uk/acatalog/Tab-Staple-Gun.html

RIB

[phd1658]

Thanks guys, looks like I'm all set!